For the Stance Haters: the UNUSABLE Gold Citrus Squeezer

"Milky" (jordanmielke) 01/15/2014 at 18:04 • Filed to: Stance, Art, 911, RX7

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ITS CALLED ART YOU TASTELESS NEANDERTHALS, JUST LIKE STANCE

The story goes it was a successful design that they made a gold limited edition for. But you can't actually use it, because of their acidic nature.

Some things just look great … you should get over it.

Stupidru > Milky 01/15/2014 at 18:07

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Stance is not art. Stance is a loss of function where there previously was.

For Sweden > Milky 01/15/2014 at 18:08

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Some things do look great. Slammed sports cars are not those things. All cars are best viewed in the context of motion, but sportscars are best viewed in the context of fast motion, complete with corners. Stancing a sportscar takes away the possibility of viewing the car in its proper context.

PanchoVilleneuve ST > Milky 01/15/2014 at 18:08

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I wouldn't consider an RWB 911 stanced. RWB's cars are high-performance sculptures, made by the acclaimed artist Akira Nakai.

Milky > Stupidru 01/15/2014 at 18:09

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Did you not read anything I wrote? That was the ENTIRE reason for posting the alessi juicy salif.

thedevilinside > Milky 01/15/2014 at 18:09

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But many, not all, stanced cars are less safe than they were before being dropped to wear out tires and use them in a way they were not at all designed for.

ADabOfOppo; Gone Plaid (Instructables Can Be Confusable) > Milky 01/15/2014 at 18:09

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You should stop getting so butthurt when others do not agree with you opinions.

Stupidru > Milky 01/15/2014 at 18:10

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The sarcasm didn't travel through my internet. My bad.

Blondude > PanchoVilleneuve ST 01/15/2014 at 18:11

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It's low and has visible negative camber. I think most people here would consider that stance.

That being said, I think it looks absolutely amazing.

CAR_IS_MI > Milky 01/15/2014 at 18:11

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No this looks good while serving a purpose. It looks like art AND makes juice.

Stance may look cool but it ends there. Try taking a proper turn at 100mph with your rebar for suspension and cambered 225 tires (which are only serving a 3" wide contact patch). Ill be waiting next to the paramedics.

Milky > PanchoVilleneuve ST 01/15/2014 at 18:11

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Considering the numerous RWB posts on stance nation and the like, I think the stance world would disagree with you.

PanchoVilleneuve ST > Milky 01/15/2014 at 18:12

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They just think any car photographed with a vignette is stanced.

djmanila > PanchoVilleneuve ST 01/15/2014 at 18:12

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I would disagree, RWB's by definition are stanced. No wheel gap, lowered, wide wheels, cambered. However, some do see track time.

Most people don't know where RWB started... http://motormavens.com/2009/08/paperc…

You're welcome.

Haimatox > Milky 01/15/2014 at 18:13

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James May melted one of those into a less artsy and more functional lemon squeezer on Man Lab once haha

Milky > ADabOfOppo; Gone Plaid (Instructables Can Be Confusable) 01/15/2014 at 18:15

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You call it butthurt, I call it entertainment during dinner.

BoxerFanatic, troublesome iconoclast. > Milky 01/15/2014 at 18:16

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That citrus juicer without the gold plating is not dysfunctional for the sake of aesthetics. The gold plating that makes it useless is somewhat ridiculous.

But it is also a single-form object that could be considered a sculpture, not a complex machine with an inherent vehicular purpose.

That 993 RWB is not my taste, I think it is too low to be functional, and too ostentatious for a street car, and too expensive to risk as a race car.

I love FD-3S RX7s, and Volk TE37s are among my favorite wheels... but that RX7 is too far, also... it is taking one of the best front-engined cars ever designed, and making it toward the edge of gaudy. There are better looking FD-3Ss.

HammerheadFistpunch > Milky 01/15/2014 at 18:20

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Cars are pretty. Cars aren't art.

KnowsAboutCars > CAR_IS_MI 01/15/2014 at 18:21

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So it's a bit like bagged stanced car of citrus squeezers then, eh?

Blondude > CAR_IS_MI 01/15/2014 at 18:23

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But you wouldn't be taking a turn at 100 mph regardless of whether is was stanced or not.

CAR_IS_MI > Blondude 01/15/2014 at 18:25

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Depends on the track.

Blondude > CAR_IS_MI 01/15/2014 at 18:27

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If you're one of the very small percentage of sports car owners who actually track their cars. As for everyone else, it doesn't matter.

Textured Soy Protein > Milky 01/15/2014 at 18:27

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None of these pictures I would call "art":

KnowsAboutCars > HammerheadFistpunch 01/15/2014 at 18:28

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Explain this then:

Velocity- Peuguette Connoisseur > Milky 01/15/2014 at 18:28

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No no no I don't care as much if they are usable or not I just think it looks like shit :D

Milky > For Sweden 01/15/2014 at 18:29

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There are a fair amount of people that would disagree with you.

HammerheadFistpunch > KnowsAboutCars 01/15/2014 at 18:30

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a car painted by an artist.

For Sweden > Milky 01/15/2014 at 18:30

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Since when was that stance?

Milky > CAR_IS_MI 01/15/2014 at 18:31

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I think you missed my point by saying you CAN'T make juice with the gold version.

From the designer - "not meant to squeeze lemons" but "to start conversations"

CAR_IS_MI > Blondude 01/15/2014 at 18:32

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I think its more than 1%. The track days and auto x events I go to around here are usually packed out. And its not an infrequent thing, they tend to run at least once a month and nearly year round.

djmanila > Milky 01/15/2014 at 18:32

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Stance?

CAR_IS_MI > Milky 01/15/2014 at 18:33

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Then why the shit is he squeezing lemons over it?!?!

Casper > Milky 01/15/2014 at 18:34

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The real problem is that "stance" doesn't know what the **** stance is. Half the time they call real legitimate performance cars stance, the next they call some craptastic Civic with such poor camber it's dangerous to lean on stance.

Casper > Milky 01/15/2014 at 18:36

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Again, that just proves stanced people don't even know what stance is. They are trying to back claim anything lowered as stanced, yet then lump their terribly out of alignment and out of camber cars in too. Then they lumped low riders and baggers in too for good measure.

davedave1111 > Milky 01/15/2014 at 18:37

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Am I missing something? There's no way citric acid would react with gold.

Milky > CAR_IS_MI 01/15/2014 at 18:39

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THE GOLD PLATED VERSION!1! The one in the photo you tagged is the standard silver one.

CAR_IS_MI > Milky 01/15/2014 at 18:42

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Well this is why you don't ask color blind people to make you lemonade; you'll end up with limeade!!

Milky > For Sweden 01/15/2014 at 18:44

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Since always? NOT all stance is camber, you can drop for aesthetics and not be "hellaflush".

Milky > HammerheadFistpunch 01/15/2014 at 18:48

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First off -

Second, I think all car designers who went to art school and all aspiring car designers in art school (cough*I'm one*cough) would disagree with you.

There is a reason car designers go to art school and not engineering school.

Milky > Textured Soy Protein 01/15/2014 at 18:56

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I see you found photos of stretched tires, which I'll agree IMO is not pretty. But that is NOT all of stance. Here is some pretty meat.

HammerheadFistpunch > Milky 01/15/2014 at 18:56

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You can argue, but its true. We've all seen that TG. I think if you reference the other episode where they try to get a hot hatch into an art gallery they are told that cars cannot be art, by definition; Art exists solely as art, and can have no other primary function. There can be art in design but a machine isn't...by itself...art. The reason designers go to art school is because design is an art, but the product is not. Design can be expressive, it can show artistic merit, but as a whole....not art. Stance is a style, a trend, an expression, but its not art anymore than fashion is art.

Milky > davedave1111 01/15/2014 at 19:00

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I'm not full of science knowledge to know, but I can read - "Alessi has also produced 10,000 gold-plated versions, which were never intended for use as the citric acid in the lemon discolours the juicer. Starck is rumoured to have said: "It's not meant to squeeze lemons, it is meant to start conversations."

Milky > HammerheadFistpunch 01/15/2014 at 19:05

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Yea by definition you're right, but that juicer went from being a designed product to a art piece by the simple act of putting a different cover on it. Stance has a a lot in common with that.

Milky > Haimatox 01/15/2014 at 19:08

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Oooo, that is good to know. To youtube I go.

Milky > Velocity- Peuguette Connoisseur 01/15/2014 at 19:09

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Lol this is best response so far … fair point sir.

HammerheadFistpunch > Milky 01/15/2014 at 19:10

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you're right, in a way...since putting the gold on the piece it ceases to be a thing with a function, and becomes a useless thing covered in gold. So if we agree that stancing a car removes all function, that is, it ruins all "car" then yes, it can be art. in which case, it has no place in my car loving heart.

Milky > djmanila 01/15/2014 at 19:10

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I would argue it does have very pretty tire fitment, but its probably not stance.

Milky > BoxerFanatic, troublesome iconoclast. 01/15/2014 at 19:14

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Define "vehicular purpose" ….. because all of these cars are driven (some daily) and are being thoroughly enjoyed by their owners.

Thats enough for me.

Leadbull > HammerheadFistpunch 01/15/2014 at 19:15

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Art has a very broad definition. I think whether or not a car could be considered "art" depends on the designer's intentions.

Leadbull > Milky 01/15/2014 at 19:16

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This image frightens me.

HammerheadFistpunch > Leadbull 01/15/2014 at 19:16

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We've been having a lovely discussion about that over here

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Milky > thedevilinside 01/15/2014 at 19:20

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IMO excessive camber is unsafe and rather stupid looking. The rest I'm 110% okay with because they are cars being enjoyed. Isn't that really what cars are designed for?

thedevilinside > Milky 01/15/2014 at 19:21

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Ya, I don't have a problem with stance. Just unsafe camber and stretch. And any other unsafe things done making the car. Not just stanced, but all styles.

Leadbull > HammerheadFistpunch 01/15/2014 at 19:24

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Art for art's sake is only one field of thought. Art is subjective, and no one really agrees upon a strict definition.

But then again, who cares? Cars are fun to look at whether they're art or not.

Milky > Casper 01/15/2014 at 19:25

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Isn't everything kind of like that though? There are shitty modded muscle cars & lifted trucks (I'm looking at you blocks and body lifts). I just went on a forum and found this comment, I think its perfect.

"Stance is relevant to every car. There's no set definition of good or bad stance as it really depends on each car and its wheel/tire choice and suspension setup. You don't have to be the lowest to have stance nor do you need to have the widest wheels. It's a matter of how everything flows together."

TwoFortified > Milky 01/15/2014 at 19:28

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I love how those cars look...

...but they look like hell to drive. I'll defend stance on Oppo because my rule #1 about cars is "IT'S MY GODDAMNED CAR AND I'LL DO WHAT I PLEASE WITH IT", and I think that's kind of the cornerstone of automotive enthusiasm...

...but I'd NEVER do that to my car.

Some controversial things that I would (at least consider) do to my car:

- Cheap body kit

- Underglow

- Loud af BOV

- Bosozoku

- HIDs

- Horn that plays some song (except Cockroach. So overdone)

- Train horn

- Removable Steering wheel that I would totally carry around

- FMIC that would end up making my car slower (because stock turbo and lag)

Et Cetera. And, before any of you potentially jump on me about it, possibly because of my perceived age...I'm 25. I don't think my affinity for these things is going anywhere...

HammerheadFistpunch > Leadbull 01/15/2014 at 19:30

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cars are for driving, looking is for what you do out the windows.

Milky > HammerheadFistpunch 01/15/2014 at 19:31

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Haha, well played. Really this is all just matter of opinions and mine goes, they are still driven and enjoyed by their owners. Thats good enough for me.

Milky > thedevilinside 01/15/2014 at 19:33

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Then we are in complete agreement then.

*Cough-Im looking at you block lifted leafspringed trucks-cough*

davedave1111 > Milky 01/15/2014 at 19:38

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It just seems odd to me, because gold is about the least-reactive element. I wonder if they actually did a shoddy job of plating, and it just rubs off?

PlayerWAN > Textured Soy Protein 01/15/2014 at 19:39

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I would however call it "stupid".

PlayerWAN > Milky 01/15/2014 at 19:40

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Casper > Milky 01/15/2014 at 19:57

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I should be more specific. The problem is the definitions for things that are being called "stanced" already existed. People are trying to create a new category of "stanced" and lump in everything form track cars that happen to be low to low riders, and even down to people who simply screwed their camber up a ton. Basically they are just completely confused about what "stanced" is, since it isn't a thing, and started lumping random lowered vehicles into it. That led to a sub culture of people who really push the "stanced" concept into a direction of essentially destroying performance cars for no reason.

My autocross car isn't stanced, it's lowered and tuned for autocross. My buddies bagged Chevy isn't stanced, it's a low rider. The kid down the street with the Civic that has no suspension left and camber so far off it has no traction isn't stanced, it's broken.

thedevilinside > Milky 01/15/2014 at 20:20

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With the headlights not turned down and blinding people?

Dr. Mantis Toboggan, M.D. > Milky 01/15/2014 at 20:43

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I don't get it? An unusable lemon squeezer, which is funny, and two hideous examples of car stancing, which make me want to cry for the future of jalop-kind.

Milky > Casper 01/15/2014 at 21:31

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BUT all three of you could show up to a stance meet and not be hassled parking in a show. #LowLoveForAll

Milky > thedevilinside 01/15/2014 at 21:32

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Wouldn't be any other way.

Casper > Milky 01/15/2014 at 21:33

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That is the fundamental problem. It's not a love of anything quality, it's a love of impractically low vehicles. That's not logical, if anything, it's a psychological ailment. Why start with a driveable car at all? If I take the wheels off I can get it even lower...

Milky > Casper 01/15/2014 at 21:38

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Yea I just responded to your other comment, so thats where I stand on the topic of you now.

Casper > Milky 01/15/2014 at 21:41

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You're irrelevant if you can't make a point. Don't start a conversation if your only game plan is to break into profanity and plug your ears like a 12 year old. You started the conversation, we answered, you didn't like the answer and had no counter point. Take it like a man.

Textured Soy Protein > Milky 01/15/2014 at 21:55

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No, fuck that car. It's exactly the kind of bullshit that makes me hate stance.

The front wheels are too wide with too low of an offset, sticking way past the fender with stretched tires.

The rear wheels are too wide and need way too much negative camber to clear the fender.

No real clearance for the tires front or back, no suspension travel to let the shocks and springs do their job.

It probably rides like shit, scrapes everywhere, has constant tire rubbing inside the wheel wells, and handles worse than stock.

Some would say that's the tradeoff for looking cool, but it just looks fucking stupid and ruined a perfectly good S2k.

Milky > Textured Soy Protein 01/15/2014 at 22:15

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I say what I've said to everyone else this evening, its an object and the owner enjoys it.

BoxerFanatic, troublesome iconoclast. > Milky 01/15/2014 at 22:41

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People enjoy all sorts of weird, potentially dangerous or threatening things. People can be stupid. That doesn't mean that driving a functionally compromised car is safe for OTHER PEOPLE ON THE ROAD.

more than a ton of steel, plastic, and glass, with people inside it, traveling at speeds enough to be lethal, with only four points of contact with the ground.... Mess with that at your, and OTHER PEOPLE's peril. personal enjoyment is not the only factor.

If you want it solely for your enjoyment... make it a 1:1 scale non-functional model in your own garage, and sit around it admiring it like a weird art installation.

And again, one has to make the distinction between lowered-yet-functional, and 'stanced' with extreme modifications against functionality, for the sake of appearance.

Textured Soy Protein > Milky 01/15/2014 at 23:36

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The enjoyment the owner derives from their poorly modified car has nothing to do with it.

You said the abomination of an S2000 you posted above was pretty.

I disagree and crotchetily explained why.

Milky > Textured Soy Protein 01/16/2014 at 00:21

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Justin Young > Milky 01/16/2014 at 01:09

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HOW DARE YOU POST A FILIPINO CREATION?!?!?!

At least that is fitted with Accuair Suspensions.

Distraxi's idea of perfection is a Jagroen > CAR_IS_MI 01/16/2014 at 01:48

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Except the Alessi lemon squeezer is renowned in the design community for being a very successful piece of design while being basically useless for squeezing lemons. Even the non-gold-plated version.

Its essential function is to make people with more money than taste feel sophisticated. And it's extremely effective for that.

t_s > Milky 01/16/2014 at 03:23

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Each to their own. I respect the people who do that sort of thing to their car, if that's how they get their jollies, more power to 'em. But I would not go so far as to call it 'art'. A 250GTO is art, a 63 Split Window Vette is art. These things aren't art to me. In fact I think that once Stance has fallen by the wayside, 98% of people who did it will look back on their cars with wheels perpendicular to the road and wonder what on earth they were thinking.

deekster_caddy > Textured Soy Protein 01/20/2014 at 11:17

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Art? Depends on the intent of the photographer I suppose. The creativity of "stretched" tires I find interesting, impractical and confusing. But art is in the eye of the beholder. I don't think anybody is saying these things you show are useful or practical. They are art.

I have always been stumped by the logic behind things that are done for show. Chrome alternators, stretched tires, hydraulic suspensions etc all fit the same bill to me - nothing you would want on a daily driver or race car, they are there purely to raise your eyebrows. It's a style. All show, no go. I don't want it on my car, but I can respect it from a certain standpoint.

Any 'car enthusiast' is good IMO, no matter how they have "disrespected" or butchered or whatever you want to call it to a quality machine. Sometimes the results are actually quite good looking. (and sometimes not) It's good to have aftermarket companies that can make their bread and butter on impractical shit, so they can afford to stay in business and make quality race components for when we need them.

I'm not a "Ford guy" or a "BMW guy" or a "Stance guy". But I respect them, because we need all the help we can get to stop crackdowns to make all vehicles auto-driven safety machines with no soul.